Talk:Lella Lombardi

wording in lead

As well as being the sole female driver to score points in Formula One, she is one of the two who managed to qualify for a Formula One race (the other being compatriot Maria Teresa de Filippis) and the only driver with that career total.

The question asked is "What career total"? The last clause in the sentence is awkward and written like it was just slapped on at the end. You actually have to look at the non-linked List of Formula One drivers to figure out that it means she is the only driver to have a career total of a 1⁄2, because there is nothing referencing the half point in that actual sentence. The second question is "why does that matter"? I reverted it as I find it to be a rather trivial piece of information, comparatively speaking there is no reference in Onofre Marimón being the only driver to have 8 1⁄7 points, or Duane Carter being the only driver to have 6 1⁄2 points, or Umberto Maglioli being the only driver to have 3 1⁄3 or David Coulthard being the only driver to have have 535 career total points, or Nico Rosberg being the only driver with 1594 1⁄2 career total points. While an interesting factoid, it's still an arbitrary number. Additionally her being the only person to have 0.5 career points is unreferenced. The source says she has 0.5 career points, but not that she is the only one. Trekphiler, thoughts? --kelapstick^(bainuu) 22:11, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Marimon, Coulthard, et alii will also have their career points totals mentioned; why shouldn't Lombardi, even if it's only 1⁄2 a point? Unreferenced is a problem, I admit; have a look at this (it appears every other site I found it on is blocked...). Formatting, or syntax, can easily be addressed, too. TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 22:23, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Yes they have their total career points, which isn't the issue. What I mean is they don't reference them as being the only driver with X points. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 22:27, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

I did just add the career total points in the lead (which hadn't been mentioned).--kelapstick^(bainuu) 22:31, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Since I may have missed the thrust of the opposition, let me be clearer. It's the career total being so small that IMO merits adding; other drivers with half-points got them for career events, but have full-point outcomes. (Why they got their odd totals would, I would hope, be in the page bio; so it should be here.) Lombardi's only two claims to fame are being a woman in F1, & scoring 1⁄2 a point; those 2 things, IMO, belong in the lead. TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 07:45, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

I really don't see how being the only driver with a half point is something to be known for. Sure it should say that she finished with a half point, and how she got that half point, but to say that she is the only driver with a half point for total career is as trivial as saying that X driver is the only driver who has finished with Y points. Most (or many) drivers finish with a unique point total (i.e. they are the only driver with that specific number). What (and who) says that finishing with 0.5 is any more notable than finishing with 358 points, or 4.5 points, or 0 points? If there were a reliable source that said that she were the only one who finished with 0.5 it would be different, but the source that is cited just says she has 0.5, not that she is the only one. Say for example someone retired this year with 0.5 points, we would not change it to "she was the first person to finish with 0.5 career points", because then it would not be a particularly notable fact.--kelapstick^(bainuu) 15:38, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Regardless, do whatever you want, we have already spent way more time than we should have debating the inclusion/exclusion of a dozen words, and I don't think either of us are going to change our minds. And frankly I don't really care that much what the outcome is. I still think the wording is terrible and needs to be fixed (if not removed), which I may or may not do, and it needs to be sourced, which it isn't. Either way, good day. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 15:44, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: WRIT 015-13, Writing for Others

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 24 August 2022 and 14 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Nvb7 (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by Nvb7 (talk) 13:06, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Reframing the Article: Edits

I plan to make changes to the article about Lella Lombardi. First, I plan to add an Early Life section about Lombardi’s early life independent of her racing career. This would add much needed contextual information about who Lombardi was before her racing began. To do this, I will reframe the lead section to include more general information about Lombardi, but put specifications about her career in the Formula One section. Additionally, I hope to delete some information from the Formula One section. Given that this information may be irrelevant, specifically, some of the details regarding the Spanish Grand Prix. I will also be sourcing information about her racing career and her early life, which has already been included in the article, but lacks credible sourcing. By doing this, I hope to assist the article in being more in line with Wikipedia’s recommendations for source citation. Finally, I will add a legacy section, including how Lombardi’s career has shaped the racing world of today. Nvb7 (talk) 13:17, 30 November 2022 (UTC)